Good policy works for the environment and for business
Why are business leaders lobbying from Sacramento to Washington for better environmental policies? Well... if there is not habitable planet there is no place to do business. Check out this conversation with Bob Keefe, CEO of E2 (Environmental Entrepreneurs), who works with a nonpartisan group of business leaders, investors, and professionals to bring about policies that work for the environment and for the economy. Find out more about Bob and E2 here: https://e2.org/
Imperfect Show Notes
While these notes are not perfect (computer transcription is still a work in progress), they give you the gist of the conversation. Enjoy!
My conversation with Bob Keefe:
Morgan Bailey 0:02
Hello, and welcome to the profit meets impact podcast where we explore the intersection of doing well and doing good in the world. I'm your host, Morgan Bailey. And I'm excited to bring you the wisdom of entrepreneurs and thought leaders, they're using business to create sustainable and meaningful change across the globe.
I am here with Bob Keefe, Executive Director of eetu for environmental entrepreneurs, which works with business leaders to help add their their voices and tell stories to really work on advancing policy. That's good for the economy and good for the environment, which anyone who's listened to any of these knows that that's exciting for me. Now, Bob is a former senior press secretary for the National Resource Defense Council swell spending over 20 years in journalism.
He lives in San Diego with his family who is much better at bachi ball than me, I learned. But that's something that I hope to work on. Bob, it's a pleasure to have you on. Man Morgan. Thanks for thanks for having me on. Always pleasure to be with you, even if it's virtual right now.
Bob Keefe 1:11
Yeah, I don't think we could podcast from the beach. But we could try work. I'll work on that. I'll work on that. So I'm curious, tell me a little bit more about what he does. And how, you know, how do they, you know, bridge This, this, you know, the sort of business side, advancing policies are good for the environment. Absolutely, absolutely. So easy to get started started 20 years ago, when a small group of Silicon Valley entrepreneurs started raising their voices and speaking out about something that was important to them. And they were passionate about, which is cleaning up the environment in California, and cleaning it up initially through policies that ultimately resulted in some of the first or the first vehicles emission standards in the world and the California clean stick car standards. And since then, Morgan, that little group in Silicon Valley has grown to about 9000 members and supporters, and nine chapters stretching from New York and New England to Seattle and San Diego, or, as you know, I happen to be, and our members are owners, executives, investors and businesses that range
in industries ranging from technology to real estate, to restaurants to clean energy to investing. But the one thing they have in common is the same thing you and I have in common is that we know that the economy and the environment are at odds, but they depend on each other. And they're learning like all of us that that climate change is an economic issue, climate changes, becoming a business issue. And you only need to look at what's happening in California right now. Or flooding in the Midwest or hurricanes and my home state of North Carolina, they know that
the lack of action toward building a more sustainable world and addressing climate change is costing all of us every single day. So what we do is we bring those business people and we raise their voices to call for action from lawmakers to take action on their own and hopefully, use their the their power and their passion to make the world a better place.
Morgan Bailey 3:24
Yeah, and thank you for the work you do. I think that's that's really important. And one curiosity is you know, through, you know, through your time working through this, how is this business mindset changing? Are you seeing like a growth and people who are trying to look through this perspective of the environment when it comes to their business?
Bob Keefe 3:44
Absolutely, Morgan, and part of the reason is because they can't avoid it anymore. You know, if you let's look at what's happening in a world right now,
you and I are in California, where we're having the worst wildfires in the history of the state in this country. It's costing billions and billions of dollars to the economy. Again, look at my home state of North Carolina, where they're still recovering from to 500 year floods in two years time $17 billion worth of damage. A few weeks ago, Cedar Rapids, Iowa got hit by a freak freak Rachel storm, essentially a hurricane in the middle of the nation's heartland that did damage to every single business in that community. So it's, it's an economic cost. But I think a lot of business people are also realizing the economic benefits, just like our founders did 20 years ago when they thought you know what, if we clean up the air in California and make cars that go further on on a gallon of gas, and maybe even electric, we can save a lot of money, and we can make our environment a lot better, which in turn, helps everything from the outdoor industry to tourism. To our livelihoods and and our lives, obviously, in the cost of health, the health costs of climate change. So people are really business people, I think, are realizing whether they wanted to or not the economic costs of climate change, and they're realizing the economic benefits of climate action.
Morgan Bailey 5:24
So when it comes to policy, though, because I mean, I think a lot of people when they think about making an impact on the environment through their business, they think about how can they run their business differently to have less of an environmental footprint? Yeah. And so what you're advocating for is like, you know, we'll do that I imagine you'd be advocating for that as well.
Bob Keefe 5:46
correctly.
Morgan Bailey 5:48
But, but you're also saying, Hey, take part in shifting policy. So how receptive or how much leverage leverage do do businesses have and actually affecting policy at a state and national level?
Bob Keefe 6:03
The answer is a lot. And let me tell you how, and let me tell you why. And Morgan, it's, I think, as you mentioned, it's both right, we all have to do whatever we can. And from a business perspective, we do it. If we're, if we're moral, we do it for the right reasons, morally, but we also do it for the economic reasons. Let me give you an example. A few years ago, there was a big movement has actually started by an EU member, former sustainability chief for Facebook, to essentially organize all of the big tech companies to get their energy from renewable sources. The guy's name is Bill while bill did this, because he knows it was good for the environment. But also, because when you think about the data centers that Facebook and Amazon and Google and others run, that use tremendous amounts of energy, they knew that they could reduce not only the emissions that they generate from using all the electricity, all of that electricity by shifting to renewables. But they, but they also knew that they could reduce their costs because renewables have become some become some of the cheapest power you can get anywhere in America. So Bill and others, essentially started going into different states where they will relocate, we're locating call centers and data centers, and telling lawmakers look, you guys want me in my 500 jobs to come to your neighborhood, you've got to provide more renewables, you've got to pass policies here to allow companies to produce more renewable energy that we can buy. And you'll get my jobs. That was one way to not only make a difference on their own, as businesses, right, but it was also one way that they really influenced state policy. And then all of a sudden, you start saw places like North Carolina and Iowa, and Oregon and elsewhere, coming up, coming up with these really substantial renewable energy policies. Part of it was an economic development tool. Now, the other way that businesses can get involved with changing the world, beyond their own companies, is by pushing lawmakers and policymakers to make change. And you know, like most people, when I think policy, when I used to think policy, my eyes glaze over. And I was like, oh, man, I don't talk about policy. That's boring. But the fact of the matter is, when you look at the impacts of policy on changing technology, and really changing the world, is profound in this country, and other countries as well. Look back, for instance, to the to the railroad act of 1864. Without the railroad act, at the time was considered the biggest Technology Policy there was because it brought railroads to the west, right. And think of all the changes that happen. Look at the renewal, the rural electric effect, electric vacation act of 1936, part of the part of the FDR new deal that brought electricity to every part of America that that didn't have that previously, electricity was limited to big cities, that changed the economy of this country. Now, you could say that change in bad ways when you think about a lot of electricity heating, produced by coal back then. But the bottom line is, you know, those profound policies really reshaped our economy and made life better for Americans all over the place. With better clean energy policies with better climate policies. We can drive that same kind of innovation, we can drive that same kind of economic growth, and we can do good for everybody in America. So that's, that's what we do. That's what we push for. And that's why 9000 of our members and supporters stand up every day and say, How can I? How can I stand up? And how can I do something to change the policies of this country?
Morgan Bailey 10:11
So I'm curious, because I mean, this makes sense. And obviously, you know, it aligns with what I believe. But I do also acknowledge that there's a lot of resistance in our country to policies that are there more environmental leaning, because people feel that they are anti business. And so how I mean, obviously, you don't you don't feel that's the case. And I don't either, but how do you make the argument that actually, I am? How would you convince someone whose mindset was was as such?
Bob Keefe 10:41
Well, look, you know, I think you and I, and most of America agrees that we need to do something on climate change, and we need, we need to move this country forward with a better environment, because let's face it, without it, you can't breathe, he can't drink, he can't live, right. But, but you're right there, there is a segment that cares less about the environment, but they care about the economy. They care about jobs, in their backyards. So for instance, when when he goes in to meet with lawmakers, and when I say eat, do I mean, our members, my staff helps put the put meetings together, but it's our business people, our members that do all the talking, right, when we go on to meet with lawmakers, whether it's in Washington, DC, or in the statehouse in Sacramento or, or Raleigh, North Carolina, or, or Carson City, Nevada, wherever we go in there. And we talk about how policies, smart environmental policies will create jobs, will drive economic growth. And will help business people continue to expand and bring new investments into companies the same type of approach that my friend Bill while that I mentioned, had with bringing car bringing data centers into into different states, we speak from sure we still love polar bears, we still care about ice caps melting, of course. But the audience that we are talking to also cares about jobs, investments, etc. And that's what we talked about.
Morgan Bailey 12:27
And so, you know, I I'll admit, I'm not exactly clear on how now policies are made. And so can you walk us through like hamburger?
Bob Keefe 12:37
Morgan, it's like hamburger, a
Morgan Bailey 12:39
little bit of everything, you grind it up?
Bob Keefe 12:40
That's right. And it's ugly. But it's important.
Morgan Bailey 12:45
And so I mean, how much of this is business people coming and saying, hey, like, we want you to, to put this policy in place? And how much is it saying, hey, these are our needs, and that policymakers try to meet those needs? Or is it a mix of all of it?
Bob Keefe 13:01
I think it's really a mix of all of it. I'll give you an example from California. Just last week, the California legislature passed a bill Hb 841. But essentially, this bill takes unused money that has been collected by utilities across the state for energy efficiency, and what it does is redirect that money into improving energy efficiency and schools and increasing electric vehicle charging stations at schools and other places. So think about that right now. We have empty schools, hundreds of empty schools up and down California, kids are at home because of covid. What better time to go into those school buildings and make them more energy efficient, by upgrading the H HVAC system heating air conditioning systems by putting more insulation and putting better windows on there, and putting some electric vehicle charging out there. So as more electric buses Come on, we can get more devices out there. Evie is out there. Now. We built a coalition of dozens and dozens of different business organizations, labor and individual companies that will both benefit from this bill because it gets their workers back to work at a time when we're struggling economically in this country. And at the same time doing this will save those school districts money, which, given this economy they need more than ever right. So nobody thinks of that necessarily as an environmental bill. But really it is. It is because it reduces emissions from vehicles. It reduces emissions from electricity and it pushes us toward a cleaner eco economy. So it's not always as I guess, obvious as it may seem that Oh man, this is an environmental bill if there's not a, a whale attached to it, or a polar bear attached to it, or a piece of land or a piece of the ocean, all important things, but these are environmental bills as well. And this is and when it comes to advancing ideas and proposals like that, Morgan, there's no better voice than the voice of business people.
Morgan Bailey 15:31
Yeah, and I think that makes a lot of sense. And I mean, how, how receptive are policymakers? And and the other question is, is how? How available are there? Like, how accessible are the policymakers? Because, you know, sometimes in my mind, I see them behind this big fork, you know, and, and that's impenetrable fortress trying trying to get through to them.
Bob Keefe 15:55
Well, that's unfortunate. Not that you would think that but that anybody would think that because these are public officials, these are elected officials, that work for us. And the bottom line is, they ought to be listening to everybody they represent. And in our case, it happens to be business leaders in their home states and their home districts. I'll tell you, when we go to we do several trips a year to Washington, DC and normal times. And we will meet with anywhere from 30 to 40, key lawmaker offices with business people from all over the country who care about making change. And we'll do that over the course of a couple of days. And we'll be exhausted as hell at the end of those two days and be looking forward to the happy hour at the end of that. In COVID. times, we recently just did about 100 lawmaker meetings virtually, with senators and members of Congress from every part of the country, and probably 40, or 50 of our members from every part of the country, over the course of about a day and a half. Lawmakers are actually more available than you think, especially when you're coming with the right message and one that is applicable to their home states, their home districts. And that's where organizations like mine come in business, people don't have time to figure this out. nor should they have to figure it out. They have companies to run their businesses to to lead. But you know, the the passion of our members always amazes me because they want to do so much. They want to get involved, just like everybody else wants to get involved and make sure we vote this this year. Right. To make sure that that their voices heard. Well, it's the same thing of policy.
Morgan Bailey 17:53
So, you know, one thing that obviously comes to mind is this idea that, you know, having the resources and time and foresight to really focus on these things and focus on these policies is it's a privilege that maybe not all businesses have. Totally. And so I mean, how do you navigate that? Because I'm sure, you know, there's some small businesses that you know, I think their voices need to be heard. But I mean, it's it's not there, it's not their biggest concern they're trying to survive. So absolutely. How do you how do you get a representative group to try to influence these sorts of policies?
Bob Keefe 18:26
Yeah, look, advocating for smart policies doesn't mean you have to get on a plane and fly to Washington or Sacramento or spend an hour on a zoom call with a lawmaker, it could be as simple as adding your name to, for instance, one of our we call them action alerts letters to lawmakers, in which we identify policies that are good for the economy, good for the environment. And we ask our members to sign those letters. And then, for instance, my staff, make sure every single lawmaker that is involved with a decision on that specific policy, sees that there's 587 business leaders all across the country who want action from them. It's as simple as picking up your your, your your phone and calling your lionmaker I've got a we've got a good friend who has his local congressmen on speed dial. And what when he's pissed off about something he's gonna he's gonna push the button and at the very least leave a message for that staffer of that of that lawmaker, and when we're working on policies that, you know, he cares about. He's going to pick up and call them and make sure they hear his voice as well. We all have that. Right. That's, that's why we elect people. And you know, what, if we're not talking to them, and if if we're not speaking from the perspective of we want policies that keep our air clean, and water clean and also grow our economy in a responsible, sustainable way. Guess who they're going to be hearing from the people who don't want that? Yeah,
Morgan Bailey 20:09
I think I think you make a fair point there. You know, I guess my takeaway from from what you're saying here is that, you know, any action counts, and it doesn't have to be, it doesn't have to be this, this large action doesn't have to be you, you know, marching on the steps of the Capitol Building, it can simply be being informed and adding your name to something that that you support.
Bob Keefe 20:33
Yeah, absolutely.
Morgan Bailey 20:35
So, I want to pivot a little bit, because I know that you a lot of what you do is working on policy. But I know you also work with environmental entrepreneurs. And I'm curious, how do you support your first How would you define an environmental entrepreneur? No, is it is it? You know? Yeah, I have an idea, obviously. But you know, I'm sure for some people, they just imagine some, some hippie in the woods, you know, trying to trying to peddle something. So yeah, what makes an environmental entrepreneur?
Bob Keefe 21:07
Well, you know, that, that was our name, when we got started 20 years ago, it's I mean, it's obviously is still our name, now, environmental entrepreneurs. But the fact of the matter is, it grew to be so big and far reaching. Our membership did that we've kind of become better known as simply e two. And when we got started, what were environmental entrepreneurs, they were entrepreneurs who cared about the environment, frankly, you know, our founders, one of them started, was the founder of a major database company, tech technology company, the other founder was connected to the venture capital business. They were they weren't necessarily in businesses that were focused on the environment. But they care a lot about the environment. And they know that through whatever power they have, as a business leader, in impacting change and effecting change, it was important to do that for environmental issues. So honestly, that's how we got our start. Today, our members included everybody from literally retired generals from every branch of the military, who are now working on some types of environmental issues. But they got involved because they knew for instance, we've got a former Air Force general norm site, who realized that every time the price of oil went up, it would cost the Air Force millions and millions of dollars just to put gas in their planes, which meant he couldn't hire new airman, and air women. And he in defense department couldn't buy the equipment that it needed. We have another former general who was the logistics chief for General Petraeus, and Iraq and Iran, who, excuse me, Iraq and Afghanistan, who literally got tired of watching kids get blown up on fuel convoys, through the country, good snaking through the desert, and decided when he got home, I'm going to do whatever I can to get America football. He's now got a consulting firm that focuses on clean energy. You know, our other members are investors, they're real estate folks who specialize in sustainable real estate, for instance, and they're in it, certainly, because they know, it's, it's good economically, but it's also good for the environment, they're passionate about doing something, just just like you and I, I could be doing a lot of different things. I care about the environment, because of three reasons, you know, or two of them, you know, anyway, they and grace, Carly and my older daughter, Delaney. I got to do something to leave a better place from them. For them. And this is pretty much the only skills I have talking to you, Morgan. So I'm going to do whatever I can. Same thing with business people.
Morgan Bailey 24:07
Yeah. And it seems now that I mean, this is obviously a growing conversation. And, you know, and I think there's also an opportunity, right, I mean, I think I think when businesses can show that they have these sorts of values, knowledge has increased their business model, but you know, something I've talked about on this podcast as others is it it also feels great to work in an organization that's values align that feels like it is contributing and doing something as as opposed to putting your head in the sand.
Bob Keefe 24:34
Absolutely. Absolutely. And I just recently had a great discussion with one of the sustainability chiefs at Amazon, for instance. And as you know, Amazon has suddenly gotten very interested and rightly so and thankfully, so in environmental issues, they're switching their fleets over to electric delivery trucks, for instance, they're invested And climate related companies that also help their business as well. But one of the reasons they did that one of the big reasons that Amazon got religion, if you will, is because their employees demanded it. Same with a lot of other big tech companies. People don't want to go to work at companies that are doing bad stuff. And people want to feel good about their job, and they're not just in it for a paycheck anymore. And so all around the country, you're seeing more and more companies realize that in order to attract the best people, to keep the best people they've got to do, they've got to do they've got to do good. They've got to do the right things. And addressing climate is, is, in many ways, the biggest thing they can do right now.
Morgan Bailey 25:54
And I guess because, you know, perhaps I have some bias. You know, when I when I hear, you know, these corporations commitment to things like the environment or social justice, I tend to question like, what, what is there? What is the actual dedication?
Bob Keefe 26:10
What's the motivation? Yeah, I mean, how much green washing?
Morgan Bailey 26:14
Yeah, exactly. And so from your perspective, like, I mean, how much and I'm sure you've seen a spectrum of what, how much of it is greenwashing.
Bob Keefe 26:21
I think it depends on what company you're looking at, and what they're actually doing, you know, I think all of us should be very wary of greenwashing of marketing companies saying they're doing the right thing, just to sell you some more product. But I can tell you from my experience that, you know, for all the bad actors that are out there, and in business, if you will, there's a lot of good ones. And you know, it's not left coast tree huggers. And in, in Oregon, or, or in Brooklyn, for that matter. It's people like I'll give you an example, Steve mulink. Steve, as a business guy, and just outside of Cincinnati, Ohio, who got to start in the heating air conditioning business, he basically went in and tried to figure out how to make h fac systems more efficient for restaurants. One day, he went to a conference that I think was sponsored by the US Green Building Council or something like that, and, and started to realize the impacts of climate change. And emissions from companies that he was literally working for, on the climate. And then he went home, and he saw his kids, and put a and b together and realized, Hmm, I got to do a lot more than this. So I think probably 1015 years ago, Steve, essentially changes the entire company, he he still does energy efficiency, essentially, for restaurants and, and hotels and things like that. But if you go out to his campus outside of Cincinnati, it's in the middle of the desert in the middle of nowhere, really. But you would think you are going into the Jetsons compound or something Morgan because you go out there. And there's solar panels on either side of two buildings, 60 foot wind turbine and the middle, his buildings are all powered by geothermal. All of his cars are his company fleet are either hybrids or electric vehicles. The water that comes out of the tap is heated by solar thermal. And he's also now branched out into the solar industry to the geothermal industry. And he not only walks the talks that talk, he walks the walk in so many ways, and everybody that works for him is the same. So, and again, that's in the middle of rural Ohio. That's not you know, California or New York.
Morgan Bailey 29:07
Yeah, well, what I'm hearing in this is that there's, I mean, there's obviously a lot opportunity, and there are a lot of people who are really taking this to heart and building it into their organizations. And of course, you know, I think that there are corporations who are just greenwashing. And I think that's out there. And they'll see it in the marketing, you know, you know, you know, they put a lot of green on it.
Bob Keefe 29:27
Absolutely.
Morgan Bailey 29:29
And, you know, whereas you look at some of the other practices, and he said, Wow, it's like you're, you know, it's kind of like you're, you're beaten down with a club and hand him in a band aid, you know, a green band aid, of course. Yeah, absolutely. What there It sounds like there are two opportunities here. I think it sounds like there's obviously opportunities for businesses to get more involved with policy from either a small level by supporting specific policies, or to a larger level actually lobbying and being an advocate. It also sounds like there's an opportunity for employees to advocate for policies within their organizations. Right? Like, like you were mentioning with Amazon? Yep. Yeah. I'm curious. Because, you know, one thing I hope that people listening, you know, can walk away with is just what is a tangible thing that they can do? And so from your perspective, you know, what are the tangible things that you know, people walking away, either as business owners, or employees can do to help shift policy to be more aligned with, you know, preserving and improving our environment?
Bob Keefe 30:32
Yeah, well, you know, I kind of think this is a big deal, Morgan. So I, I would say, don't worry so much about the tangible things you can do, do everything you can do. And that means if you're an employee, if you're a manager and your company, certainly do whatever you can to make your make your company better on the environment. And do it for the right reasons. But also do it because it's the right thing to do. From a business perspective. Now, you can get energy, that the cheapest energy you can get, first of all, is the energy you don't have to buy. So energy efficiency, put that at the top of the list. Do what every other major company in America, and most major companies in America and around the world are doing. look toward figuring out ways to get your energy from renewable, you don't have to be like Steve mylincoln, put solar panels and a wind turbine in your front yard. You can buy it, you can, you can specifically buy your energy from purveyors of renewable energy as opposed to dirty energy companies. Talk to your lawmakers talk to him as as a voter, but talk to him as a business person as well. And make sure that they know that you, your company, your employees, want them to do the right thing when it comes to advancing policies that address climate change, and do good for the environment. And do what Walmart does. Make sure your suppliers are doing the best that they can to create sustainable products and deliver them in sustainable ways. Regardless of what business you're in,
Morgan Bailey 32:23
yeah, I think, yeah. I think it's just a part of it. It's just starting to have that conversation, right? Yeah, you don't, you don't have to know where to start. And some and some of these things you're talking about aren't like the sexy things. It's not like, oh, we're gonna build a green roof. It grows as simple as, hey, you know, we're using really inefficient lightbulbs. Yeah. Or thermostat just set wrong, you know, for a large office.
Bob Keefe 32:49
Absolutely. Yeah. It's not hard. It's really not hard. And I, you know, I think, I think what's gratefully starting to happen, or has been starting to happen more. And if there's a message I deliver, it would be that we need to look at the environment and look at climate as an economic and as a business issue. For so long. We've looked at the environment is, you know, what's the cliche, a bunch of hippies, hugging trees and melting icecaps and polar bears and save the whales and all of that? Yes, that's all important. But as we started from the beginning, talking about the economic costs of climate change, as we've talked about the economic opportunities of action on climate change, this is an we need to look at this from an economic and a business perspective as well. And, you know, we all can and should do what we can at home, we should do so in our personal lives. And as business people, we need to do everything we can as well. Yeah.
Morgan Bailey 33:58
And oh, how the world is telling us that right now.
Bob Keefe 34:01
No kidding, man, no kidding.
Morgan Bailey 34:05
Well, about this has been a pleasure. I really appreciate this perspective. I personally am interested in getting more involved with E two and really understand the policy. And using my voice in that, so I'm curious people who are interested, what's a what's a good way for them to find out more.
Bob Keefe 34:22
The best way to find out more is that e two.org. And you can find out everything about all of the policies that we all have policy work that we do the advocacy work that we do, but also learn more about our members. And you know, one of the other great things about my organization is that in addition to hopefully changing the world, for the better through advocacy, it's a way to connect with like minded people like minded business people, people who may come from different industries, but like you and I care about the environment, care about the economy and want to do something about it. And when you put like minded people together who are passionate about making change, good things can happen. That's one of the other things that we try to do.
Morgan Bailey 35:10
Amazing. Well, I appreciate all the work that you do. You know, it's a long term thing that we're doing here. And, you know, I appreciate your dedication. And last question I have for you is what's inspiring you right now?
Bob Keefe 35:23
What's inspiring me? Well, it's, it's become kind of a kind of a cliche, but it's young people. You know, in my organization, we recently started something called our Emerging Leaders Program. And when we've been around for 20 years that our founders and others have been around for 20 years as well, and they got started when they were in their 20s and beyond. So we really need to have a new generation of business leaders for the environment. And as we've started to roll out our Emerging Leaders Program, which by the way, not only lets young business people engage in our advocacy work, but connects them with more seasoned entrepreneurs and business people to learn everything about not just environment and advocacy, but about how to run businesses, through our mentorship program, and things like that. When we've since we started that, I think we've grown to several hundred young business leaders all around the country. And the the passion that they have is not dissimilar than the passion of gretta finberg. And how high schoolers right now who know that they're, that they're, their future is literally at stake. But our our young business people really want to change our economy to make it a cleaner economy generally. And it's been inspiring.
Morgan Bailey 36:49
Yeah. That totally agree. I think that that generation, you know, not that we want to put all this weight on that generation to solve all our problems. But, you know, from from what I observed, it's just the the mindset like this, this stuff is just common sense. Right? Many of them and so I think, I think it's amazing that you're helping support and nurture that, that that generation to help put these things into practice, and learn from the best of what we've learned and be able to share that knowledge was and nurture new ideas. So, again, thank you. It's been a pleasure. I look forward to our next conversation. Likewise, Morgan,
Bob Keefe 37:31
thank you so much. All right. It's
Morgan Bailey 37:33
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