Heart Centered Leadership Meets Climate Change
In this conversation we dive in deep with Carley Hauck on everything from climate change to heart centered leadership to her book Shine. Through her work as an author, organizational consultant, coach, and Stanford instructor, Carley has gained true wisdom on what it takes to make change on a big scale - and it starts small. This was a really fun and insightful conversation with some very pragmatic ways we can all lead in a more authentic and heart centered way.
Imperfect Show Notes
While these notes are not perfect (computer transcription is still a work in progress), they give you the gist of the conversation. Enjoy!
My conversation with Carley Hauck:
Morgan Bailey 0:02
Hello, and welcome to the profit meets impact Podcast where we explore the intersection of doing well and doing good in the world. I'm your host, Morgan Bailey. And I'm excited to bring you the wisdom of entrepreneurs and thought leaders that are using business to create sustainable and meaningful change across the globe. It's been a while since the last episode was launched, and I'm really excited to get back into it. Life has been a whirlwind over the past few months, adjusting to a new role, and really diving deeply into purpose both at an organizational level and at an individual level, how that all connects together? And what does that mean for organizational impact, both within the organization itself, and with the world at large. But in this episode, we're going to talk with Carly Hawke, she's the founder of leading from wholeness. She's an organizational and leadership development consultant. She is leadership instructor at Stanford University. She's the author of shine, a really amazing book on igniting your inner game to lead consciously. She's a climate activist and just an overall amazing human being. So I was thrilled to have this conversation with her, we touched on a lot of things that were really important to me, from the environment, to social change, to climate change, and really focusing in on how, you know, so much of what the world needs, it starts starts from within, because when we operate differently internally, it really impacts how we operate externally in the world. When we come from a really heart centered approach or orientation to people, the environment, and the world around us is just just radically different. And she gives some really great tangible examples of how to lead from this heart centered place that not only impacts one's experience in the world, but also the business itself and everything that the business touches. So I'm really excited to bring you this episode. So let's let's just go ahead and jump in. Carly, I've really been looking forward as conversation. It's a really pleasure to have you on the show.
Carley Hauck 1:54
Thank you so much, Morgan. I feel delighted to be here.
Morgan Bailey 1:58
Alright, so I've been reading your book shine, which I found really inspiring. And the thing I've been sitting with, you have so much knowledge and wisdom in there. And and you've articulated things really well, I'm curious, where did this inception? Where did you start on this journey of working with organizations doing leadership development, this connection with nature? Tell us a little bit about how you evolved into who you are right now.
Carley Hauck 2:21
Thank you. Great question. So I speak a bit about this, and the beginning of the book in the intro, but since I was a little girl, I've always felt this very deep connection to nature to the environment. I stewardship, a fierce protection of it. And growing up in Florida, I would go to St. Augustine, basically the first or second week after elementary school and school ended. And I'd be walking on the beach, and I would see plastic on the beach, plastic bottles, trash. And at the time, there were no trash receptacles on the beach to pick up trash, and there was definitely no recycling in place. And to this day, there's still no composting in place in Florida. And it's 40 years later, that is appalling still to me. But it created this motivation for me to try to do something in my life that was going to be inspiring greater environmental responsibility, and stewardship. And as I got older, initially, I thought, I'm going to be a marine biologist. And then I thought, no, that's not going to make enough to impact. And I thought the best lever that I can pull, and that I feel like I can impact in my lifetime is working with leaders in business because I see them as having the greatest influence social capital power to be a force for good in the world. And so that was the motivation that got me starting to work with leaders and companies. And it actually wasn't intentional at all. On my end, I moved to San Francisco shortly after grad school where I studied Organizational Psychology, health psychology, and I was teaching a class on meditation, because I've had a meditation practice since I was 19 years old, and it informs everything that I do and it's in the book as well. There's a foundation of, of meditation of self awareness. That's actually chapter one. And this HR director from a law firm, littler Mendelson, reached out to me and she said, I see that you're teaching this class on stress management meditation, can you teach stressed out lawyers, how not to be so stressed out? And I said, Yes, I can because I came from a family where my father was a stressed out lawyer and what do you pick I'm a meditator. So anyway, that was my first real I get opportunity to work with corporations. And so I went in, and it was just a one hour talk. But I made some really positive impact. And she kept inviting me back. And then that evolved into this whole business that I started over 10 years ago, and have been working with CEOs partnering with HR business folks, like, you know, senior l&d, the Chief People Officer, the Chief Human Resources Officer and have gotten to come in and do some very large scale program development trainings, my special sauce has really been the reorg, I've been brought in a lot. When there's reorganization happening and lots of shifts and changes and new foundations and structures, lots of trust has been lost, psychological safety doesn't exist. You know, people don't feel like they can speak up, things like that. And when you think about the last year, in the pandemic, every company is going through a huge reorg. You know, it's it's a lot. So I have been able to bring in various training and skills and kind of a Trojan horse sort of a way, you know, people don't initially come to me and say, I really care about people and planet. Can you come in and help us with that? No, they come in with other needs on the surface, but over time, I'm able to help them re measure, what do they really care about? What really supports a flourishing workplace? Well, if we don't have clean air, clean water, clean soil, as many of us in California and other parts of the world have experienced as climate changes impacting all of us, we realize we can't really bring our whole and best selves to work. If I can't breathe the air outside. And Morgan, you and I were just talking about the California Fire. So I'm bringing this closer to home here. How do I show up at work? I can't, I I'm I'm struggling, right to show up in my best. So anyway, that's a a short, but long answer your question?
Morgan Bailey 7:21
No, I really appreciate it. And yeah, I was smiling as you were talking. Because, you know, I grew up in San Diego on the coast and spent, I mean, I was at the beach all the time. And it was really difficult for me to see all the styrofoam and trash left on the beach. It all it really impacted me. And so I said, I'll go to college and be a marine biologist. So I felt a very similar thing in my level. And then after I realized, I don't think I didn't think I was going to have enough impact. So I went in for physics to, I'll just like, I'll just solve the oil problem and create, you know, help create cold fusion, you know, I realized I was not nearly smart enough scientist for that, and eventually came to a very conclusion that you did, and in terms of my skills, and everything that the high leverage point is with leadership in organizations. And I really love what you're bringing in here, it's like this, you're really bringing in this interconnected piece of that, you know, we can't fully show up, you know, when our communities aren't stable when our environment isn't stable, that these are really interconnected systems. And you mentioned one piece that, you know, I think has been thrown around a lot recently. And I wonder if we can dive into that it's really on the psychological safety. Right? And why is it that psychological safety is such a critical starting point, to really addressing anything within an organization in the world?
Carley Hauck 8:44
Well, for those that may or may not know, you know, what the definition is, it's really this belief that you won't be punished, humiliated reprimanded for speaking up for sharing your, you know, questions, your unique experience, your perspective, maybe even your bias, right. And because we have such a deep need to belong, just like we have a deep need for, you know, shelter and water and air and, and food, you know, these these are synonymous with our need to survive when we look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs. But belonging is, you know, something that we all are really craving and desiring to and so when you think about our hunter gatherer ancestors, they wanted to belong to that community. And similarly, we want to belong to our community at work to our community, at home. And if we say something that others don't like, we may be rejected, we may be actually told that we're not able to continue to join to play we don't belong All right. And so why that is so important, the essence of having a foundation of psychological safety is it's so many of us may not feel safe right now, we have gone through a whole year of disruption, of volatility, of ambiguity of uncertainty. And it's not going anywhere. It's that that VUCA world is still here. And we're all trying to figure out what is the new state of work? What is what is the world going to look like after this and recognizing that actually, we're more connected than we ever realized that we were right. And yet, it's so important that we are all able to share what we really feel what we really have reservations around what we really care about regarding structures and systems that do not work that haven't worked for years. At work, like we think about the racial injustice, the systemic oppression, I mean, we could go on and on the lack of committing to sustainable development goals. So I really feel it's important that we are creating a foundation of psychological safety to have these bigger discussions, so that we can create a workplace and a world that does work for everyone because it doesn't currently, and that, more importantly, is living in harmony with the planet. Because we are of the Earth, like our well being is intrinsically linked to the well being of the planet, we can't pretend that they're separate. They're just not.
Morgan Bailey 11:42
Yeah, I mean, as an ad, avid person, or avid outdoors person, I spend most of my weekends outdoors, I can definitely resonate with that. And what came to mind, as you were talking for me, is this idea that, you know, our idea of what organizations are and can be, have drastically shifted, right? Whereas it used to be a place to make money and go to work. Right, a place without so it's now we're saying, Well, no, these are integral pieces of our society that have an impact on everything. Right. And they, you know, organizations in themselves are living in a sense, because they're made up of living entities, which is us, and they impact living entities, which is this this world. So, you know, as as you know, we kind of, you know, move into that, you know, I'm curious to how like your work with leaders, is really an individual's, you know, is is really helping foster that change, right. And, and, and where do people start down that road?
Carley Hauck 12:44
Well, Morgan, we were talking about this before the call. But I feel like in the midst of this last year with the pandemic, if there weren't certain things that people were working on internally, in themselves, the inner work, then there was quite a lost opportunity. And there's this constant, I think, refinement that needs to happen as human beings. And the inner game, which I talked about in my book, is really about the cultivation of this new operating model. So where do we start, we start here, we start with ourselves. We start with really upgrading, or upskilling, I was just using this word, up leveling, whatever you want to call it, that is cultivating a certain way that we're operating from the mind, body and heart. You know, my business is called leading from wholeness. So it's like how do I lead from my whole self, which is sometimes messy, which is imperfect, you know, which was shiny, which is dark, but the way that I've termed it after working with 1000s, of leaders, managers, individual contributors, I kept seeing be certain qualities over time that when they were integrated, people showed up differently. I think leadership is like a way of being, you know, it's having certain capacities and skills, but it's also just how you show up, you know that, who is that person that you want to follow? What are the qualities that they're showing? They're probably trustworthy. They're probably having a certain level of integrity. They probably empower others. They have a vision, they're inspiring. You feel like you can talk to them. They have your back. Right? Those are certain qualities that I believe, cultivate a conscious and inclusive leader and so I've broken them down into self awareness into emotional intelligence which encompasses self management empathy, other awareness, relationship mastery, resilience, which is really that growth mindset, how can I be curious about the other person? How can I be curious about what's happening in the room? How can I see this as for me versus against me, right? Like, how are we growing that mindset, to really be in the moment to see things without the negative lens, so to speak? How am I prioritizing my well being? How am I leading from way more love, and then authenticity? You know, how am I being willing to be vulnerable to, to really own my voice, my values in a way that maybe I haven't expressed before. So I really feel like when we're cultivating those six qualities, that's a really great starting point, to create this new workplace in this new world.
Morgan Bailey 16:00
And so, you know, and obviously, you know, that, you know, I think all of those are really critical. And the combination of which, you know, is really helps create that, that whole self that you mentioned. And, you know, what I'm always fascinated by is what's possible, you know, because a lot of times, you know, people might see with an organization's Oh, you know, that's let's not focus on that we don't have time for that, oh, that's fluff that side stuff. But when you think about the actual, you know, the impact on organizations in the world, what, you know, in your view, and you're working with people, what, what becomes possible, once people really start to master their inner game.
Carley Hauck 16:43
They're able to have the brave conversations, they're able to really start to, I think, align their values, and action. And they're not being run by scarcity, by greed. By delusion, they're able to see more clearly the wisdom is what is leading them. The love is leading them the generosity is leading them.
Morgan Bailey 17:17
Yeah, and, you know, I definitely I see that and, you know, when I'm, when I'm thinking about this, and with the animals, I work with them, when they have that psychological safety. And they've done that that inner work, they've kind of are doing the the work of the inner game, right? There. Yeah, their perspective on the entire world changes their perspective on what's important changes. Ultimately, I mean, I think, you know, a lot of my thought comes down to, you know, our life just comes up to a series of decisions, right? Our path and this, you know, as a species, it just comes up to a series of decisions. And the more we do that inner game work, the more we can make decisions, more conscious decisions, that are aligned with a way of living that we prefer. And that's the outer game. Yeah, the outer game. So, so now we're out the outer game. So let's, let's talk about that.
Carley Hauck 18:12
Well, and, and for our listeners, you know, the inner game rules, the outer game. So you know, what, again, we're showing up with on the inside is reflected on the outside. So, and, you know, Morgan, I, I can't help but kind of be touched that you and I met years ago, not that long ago, but at the conscious company Leadership Forum. So you know, the fact that that's where we met, and now we're having this conversation around something that we both still feel so passionate about. Yeah, that's, that's a showcase of the outer game. Right? That was absolutely, there. And now here we are, again,
Morgan Bailey 18:53
here we are. And, you know, and I've met so many individuals, and I think this like, like yourself, like, there's more and more kindred spirits like this out there, who are realizing how critical this is, and how important it is. And, you know, and so, you know, I've really, you know, really appreciated meeting these people at events, like, you know, the conscious company event, and, and what I'm really starting to appreciate more and more now, is that, you know, this, this philosophy, this idea, this direction is starting to permeate business a different level, like it's, you know, I don't have to go to a business, you know, conference on, you know, conscious business or conscious leadership to start seeing these concepts being pulled in. They're starting to spread wide scale and I think the pandemic has, has really kind of started to like, pull that out. I do have some fear that like people like Alright, let's get back to weigh things where, you know, and I can see a little of that poll. I don't I don't think that's possible entirely. But when you start to talk about the you know, Do the outer game like, you know, done you do the inner work? What does the outer game look like?
Carley Hauck 20:08
I think it's gonna look different for every person. But for I guess the outer game that I feel is possible that I'm standing for is that we really do align business to be a force for good. Which means we are having the motivation to how do we create a workplace that does work for everyone, right, where, where people are coming to do their best work, where the team is safe, where there is actually real inclusion and belonging and psychological safety. And we're innovating and collaborating to solve some really big problems that our humanity is facing. And it's not just about how much more money can I make? How many more widgets can I sell, not to, you know, be judgmental against widgets, but but we have some big problems. We have some big problems, and there is an urgency to it. And in that urgency, we don't want to come from scarcity. We don't want to, you know, have this mindset that is not being slow and intentional about how we move forward, because that is going to not get us to where we want to go. I really feel like in the next two years, if we're all doing that inner work as leaders, as people, because I believe all of us need to be leaders right now, we all need to decide what is that one thing that I care about so much that I feel so passionate about that I want to be the change for that leadership. And I feel like the qualities that I spoke to before will help you get there. And that could be a leader in your home life that could be a leader in your community that could be a leader in your workplace that could be you deciding that this thing that I care about, there's no product for it, or there's no business for it. And I'm going to create it so that I can do the change. And just to give an example of that, and I brought up the story multiple times. But there's nine leaders that I highlight in my book, and I got to know all of them because it took me about five years to write this book. And one of the leaders, her name is Rhea single. And she grew up in England. She moved to India when she was in her late 20s. She'd been working at Pfizer, and she gets to India, and she sees like the horrific trash, right? There's, there's no way segregation system in India. And at the time, people were eating organics like it was in fashion, but what they were actually eating on was pretty contaminated. It was plastic. And so she decided that this was outrageous. This is ridiculous. Like how could she be living in a country where there were so much delusion and not a real integration of systems and what people were eating and how it was actually being disposed of. So she decided that she was going to create a compostable tableware company. India did not have one. She didn't know what she was doing. But she created India's first compostable tableware company. It's called Eco ware. And a few years after starting her business, she landed a very big client Indian railways that is in charge of the entire, you know, railway system in India. And it has probably about a million passengers a day. And at the time, they were feeding their customers off of plastic Where did that plastic go? It went into the ocean and went into landfills. Again, it wasn't being recycled, she was able to get them to change from serving their customers on plastic to compostable tableware, which means that whatever they're eating then goes into, you know, a landfill and it is d decomposes within 90 days. There's no harmful toxic substances into the earth into the water into the soil. That's huge impact. Because she said no. She said, I'm going to be the change for this because I care. That's a strong inner game, that strong
Morgan Bailey 24:45
inner game and that takes courage. Yes, it takes a lot of courage and and that's why you know, I mean, some of the people I've interviewed on this show, I'm just like, wow, that the courage that it took just to to try something different and to use your voice And again, it comes down to these decisions, right? At one point, she just said no. And I think that inner game just allows us to know, the more we're in tune with our bodies Marwin tune with ourselves, we get more clear on what our knows are. You know, just yesterday, I saw a post on LinkedIn about, you know, different investment funds, which which fund all sorts of things from, you know, oil and gas to private prisons, to sustainable energy and things of that nature. And I said, go ahead and drop in your, you know, what your investment fund is, and see how it ranks up. And sure enough, I dropped mine in and I got to it, you know, in it, this is just something I signed up through the company I work for, and, and it, you know, the rating came back as an F, and says, Oh, this is supporting, like, this is, you know, directly funding and investing in the private prison complex. Right. And, and for me, I was like, wow, that's a no, right? Like, I need to figure that out. And who do I need to talk to, to see how can we, you know, not only shift my funds, but least open that up to other people, right. And it's all comes down to these little things that we check in and say that doesn't feel aligned. And I think what's most critical because like, that, I am obviously in a privileged place to have that problem, when I have the money to invest. And I have the level of stability in time to be able to think on those things. But I think that you know, what I really appreciate about everything you wrote with the inner game, as, as you're, you know, kind of building out those skills, you're creating a level of spaciousness, and inner resilience, such that you're, you're able to take this other information into account, because when you're in a state of stress, or anxiety, right, what's happening with a river 100 miles away, really, really hard to care about that, and understandably so. And the more we do the inner game, we create this capacity to be able to see what matters more to us, and be able to make decisions that are more aligned on a wider scale.
Carley Hauck 27:07
And hopefully, to shed things right like there. I don't know, for myself, personally, there's been a lot of shedding of things of stuff. I've moved from California to North Carolina, and now I'm back in Oregon, because I missed the West Coast. And I brought very little stuff with me, you know, it's just me, it's just my body. It's, it's what I care about. It's who I am. But, and not that I was very attached to stuff to begin with. But like, I'm just really recognizing that that doesn't matter. It matters so little. And I like to your story also about how you know, you basically put in this fund. And in a way you were getting an assessment, like where do I rank on this? Where am I Oh, I got an app. Okay. I think as leaders and companies, we can do similar assessments of where is my company falling as far as social justice, environmental responsibility, like, where are my commitments? If I really care about this, like, let's just figure out where we are at a baseline. And you and I talked about this a few weeks ago that the BT Corp, which is really incredible community, that are really wanting to align with business as a force for good, they have this free assessment called the B impact assessment. And in fact, if people go to the resources section on my website, Carly house comm you can just go and take it for free. And it's just going to basically have you go through a series of questions to figure out where do you align with different social justice commitments? Where do you align on different environmental responsibility, quadrants and dimensions? And once you are aligning with that matters to you, you'll get a sense of where you are, where can you improve? How can you increase your score, you know, and that is showing a stronger outer game?
Morgan Bailey 29:07
Absolutely, and just just reference for any listeners who are interested in Learn more at the B Corp, we did, I interviewed a woman by the name of Karolina Miranda, who works with B corpse through that process. So she kind of walks it through that. And it is I think it's a really great process to be able to go through and kind of benchmark because I think a lot of the things that organizations like I like this idea, but where do I start? Right? And I think that that's, you know, that's a lot of times where we're organizations get stuck. But another thing that I think is really important to touch on right is this idea of, and it kind of goes into a little bit of the scarcity mentality, but this idea of, you know, you know, his, you know, his thinking about the environment and thinking about the community just, you know, it's something that's nice to do with business as opposed to religion. Critical, right? Is it? Is it something to do when you have surplus funds? Right? Or is it a part of your critical infrastructure? Right? Because I think a lot of organizations are like, Yeah, well, we'll donate some money. Right. But like, you know, from your view with organizations, what is that actual ROI for doing things in a sustainable way that both honors people and the environment?
Carley Hauck 30:25
I mean, I like the question, what, what is the ROI? I think when we look at the climate science, it's, and I'm laughing, because like, time is running out. That's the ROI, right? That's the ROI. And this is a quote just to speak to climate change by Greta Thunberg. Most of us know who this incredible young woman is. This just came up earlier today, because right now, you can choose to be a vegan all month long. There's like a vegan challenge. And we know that if we're eating more plant based, that is one big thing that we can do to reverse climate change. So I highlight three plant based companies and leaders in my book, rebel jest, and Green Monday, David Young also just launched Omni foods, and they actually just put out like three new, sustainable seafood resources, but don't use any fish. It's all plant based. So anyway, that's a little plug for David. But going back to miss Greta, she says, People tell me I should study to become a climate scientist so I can solve the climate crisis. But the climate crisis has already been solved. We already know all the facts and solutions. All we have to do is wake up and change. And she's absolutely right. Draw down this incredible book by Paul Hawken has 100 ways that we actually can reverse climate change if we implemented them all. And in fact, there's even a course that you can take I haven't taken it yet. But they partnered with Lynne twist, the Pachamama Alliance, Lynne wrote the foreword for my book, she's also the author of the soul of money, I highly respect and love Lynn, and you can take a drawdown course, you've been figuring out how you can be part of reversing climate change, we have all the money, we have all the resources, we have all the science, it's all here, we just have to start aligning our inner and our outer game to say, this really matters. And we're going to create a flourishing workplace and world right now. And this is the opportunity, this is the responsibility, this is the privilege, we can not put our head in the sand anymore, or there's going to be massive suffering. And I say that with love and truth.
Morgan Bailey 32:56
I I love that. I mean, that's yes, yes, yes to all of that. so important and so critical. And, you know, when I asked that, you know, you know, look, I'm thinking like when I asked the question about the ROI, really, I mean, I, I have my belief on that, which is like, we have to do this, like we don't have an option. Right? It's just, you know, we want to continue our
Carley Hauck 33:21
trouble there, you know, that there is no option B. So to three,
Morgan Bailey 33:25
there is no option B No. And, you know, when I you know, when you think about, you know, how we plan, how we plan as businesses, I really appreciate one of the things that you know, Patagonia's mentioned is like we're designing our business to be around in 100 years. Right. And I and part of me has been curious, I was like, I actually love to run this experiment. So how would we take you know, the top 100 organizations? And what would they look like if we design them to survive 100 years. And I guarantee you, a huge part of that would be factor on the environment, people sustainability equity, because I don't think there's any doubt that that's gonna be really critical over the next 100 years. Unfortunately, a lot of organizations are still making big decisions based on the next quarter and a quarter by quarter increments.
Carley Hauck 34:17
They're not looking at the long view. And that's where I said, we need to be slow and intentional and really look at what's facing us. Yeah, yeah. So we're on the same page.
Morgan Bailey 34:28
We were on the same page. It's no doubt. So you know, as we kind of start to move towards wrapping up I'm really curious, you know, what's, what's really inspiring you right now.
Carley Hauck 34:41
These kinds of conversations Morgan, where where we are coming together because we we all have a similar vision is similar perspective, a similar motivation to be part of the change. And what's been found actually by science is that we only Need 3.5% of the population to really shift the dominant culture in the masses. So I'm here to wake up hearts and minds, I'm here to inspire different actions, even if it's, you know, 100, or if it's 1000, or if it's more than that, because every person matters right now to to really create this new workplace in a world. So I mean, that's the broad strokes of what's inspiring me and I feel excited by I also feel really excited to work with a bigger team and different folks that want to start to shift the systems and structures. And I'm so curious how that's all going to manifest and come about, I'm also going to be getting back into leading some in person immersive retreats and experiences, that was something that I did for a long time before I started writing the book, and I put it on hold. And my first one is actually going to be with a colleague of mine, in North Carolina Labor Day weekend. And I'm really excited about that, to have some folks to come and to really embody this strong inner outer game.
Morgan Bailey 36:20
Yeah, that that sounds amazing. And I just, you know, as you've been speaking, the Your face has been lighting up at these topics. And and it's just, it's, it's moving to see how deeply motivated and passionate you are. And what I've really appreciate both in this conversation, and in the book is the level of pragmatism and data and experience you bring to this. And you've shown that like really working on this inner game can change and shift the needle needle. And in fact, it's, it's the only way we can really shift the needle broadly, is all of us doing that inner game. And the beauty is, it not only yields, you know, a brighter future for everyone, but it feels good. It feels really good on an individual level. So I'm so so glad that we you know, we met years back and here we find ourselves. It's really just fortuitous. And I'm really appreciate it and I'm looking forward to more conversations with you and and just really seeing how we can support each other, and really shifting and kind of creating more momentum around this.
Carley Hauck 37:29
My Cry, thank you again for the invitation. And I felt that you enjoyed the book.
Morgan Bailey 37:36
Yes, of course. And you know, speaking of the book, how can people find out more about the book and more about you?
Carley Hauck 37:43
Great. So my website, Karli, help calm. There's a lot around the different services that I offer, working with leaders and companies, but there's also information on the book. And for people that want to join my community and stay in touch. I'd love for you to go to lead from light calm, you'll get a free handbook on how to be a conscious and inclusive leader. But then that will also get you subscribed to my podcast, which came about in the research that I was doing for the book where I'm interviewing, conscious, inclusive, badass game changers and leaders that really want to be a force for good in the world. And we talk about awareness practices, and you know, building high performing teams and then of course, these these inner game skills. So we'd love to have you sign up, and you'll be privy to some of the other offerings that I'll be putting out and how you can join and be part of the community.
Morgan Bailey 38:45
Thank you so much, Carly. true inspiration. This conversation was and I really look forward to continuing the dialogue. Thank you. Thanks for listening to another episode of the Prophet meets impact podcast. If you'd enjoy this experience, please subscribe wherever you find your podcasts and leave a positive review. You can also find out more about the podcast at www.profitmeetsimpact.com
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